Dreamcast GDI Compatibility List

[Gillbert]

(25.05.2017 02:29)pcwzrd13 писал(а):  I'm using an NTSC-U console but I have a region-free BIOS

So you are using a Dreamshell boot disc?

(25.05.2017 02:29)pcwzrd13 писал(а):  In my experience, the region of the image hasn't made any difference.

It does make difference. With only a handful games but really does.

[pcwzrd13]

(25.05.2017 02:41)Gillbert писал(а):  So you are using a Dreamshell boot disc?

Nope. The DreamShell bootloader is flashed to the BIOS chip.

[Turbokat]

Hi guys,

Messing with 2 games right now, could use you guys input. I use a modded DC HDD with Github Dreamshell RC4.

Plasma Sword (U)

Played normal GDI enabling CDDA, got all the way up to the boss and it froze. Am I using a bad version? Can someone else try this title with CDDA on DS4 RC4?

Vigilante 8 2nd Offense (U)(PAL)(JAP)

Plays fine when CDDA music is removed. The sucky part about this game is the music is so good it be ashame to play without it.

When I play an optimized GDI with CDDA it disables one single player mode, if I play unoptimized GDI it disables another single player mode and the "sound test" option.

Maybe it doesn't work on IDE HDD after all or doesn't work for RC4? I'm really struggling with this one after watching this video and seeing it work perfectly in RC3:





In that video it was being ran from an SD card. Can someone test Vigilante 8 2nd Offense on an HDD with CDDA on DS RC4? If it turns out that Dreamshell 4 RC4 GitHub is simply not compatible with this game via HDD I'll wait for next release. Also, keep up the good work guys. This topic has helped me with 90% of my current library.

[dragoncity]

If you use a Dreamcast PAL and NTSC..it's SOMETIMES not the same config !
AND If you use a Game PAL and NTSC..it's SOMETIMES not the same config !

Your list it's interesting because you have a NTSC console,so sometimes it's possible a game works better than PAL. For the moment it's not that lol,Maybe not the good config,I will check and tell you
(look my list for your games bug or other)
But sometimes it's not good to use OPT,so test GDI and OPT !

When I test a game,I use 2 folder,GDI and OPT.
I try with GDI,and after I try in OPT
But always in GDI first,because many games don't work in OPT !

Gillbert too,give me your list !

Just one thing,this is wrong ""Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare" only works on a NTSC/U console region"

It works on PAL console too,just the kinematic lag,but like NTSC.

I added 3 games since Yesterday.

Dreamshell 4 RC4 Compatibilities PAL -DragonCity-

18 Wheeler - American Pro Trucker : OPT + 0x8cfe0000 : Works perfectly !
Plasma Sword - Nightmare of Bilstein : GDI or OPT and CDDA : Works but the sound "bug" after a moment,like MDK 2.
NO compatible VGA
Vigilante 8 - 2nd Offense : OPT and CDDA : Works perfectly !

[pcwzrd13]

Yeah I'm going to try various image types and settings on the games that didn't work but I'm going to test all the US games first.

[Turbokat]

(25.05.2017 15:37)dragoncity писал(а):  If you use a Dreamcast PAL and NTSC..it's SOMETIMES not the same config !
AND If you use a Game PAL and NTSC..it's SOMETIMES not the same config !

Your list it's interesting because you have a NTSC console,so sometimes it's possible a game works better than PAL. For the moment it's not that lol,Maybe not the good config,I will check and tell you
(look my list for your games bug or other)
But sometimes it's not good to use OPT,so test GDI and OPT !

When I test a game,I use 2 folder,GDI and OPT.
I try with GDI,and after I try in OPT
But always in GDI first,because many games don't work in OPT !

Gillbert too,give me your list !

Just one thing,this is wrong ""Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare" only works on a NTSC/U console region"

It works on PAL console too,just the kinematic lag,but like NTSC.

I added 3 games since Yesterday.

Dreamshell 4 RC4 Compatibilities PAL -DragonCity-

18 Wheeler - American Pro Trucker : OPT + 0x8cfe0000 : Works perfectly !
Plasma Sword - Nightmare of Bilstein : GDI or OPT and CDDA : Works but the sound "bug" after a moment,like MDK 2.
NO compatible VGA
Vigilante 8 - 2nd Offense : OPT and CDDA : Works perfectly !

Hello! Thank you for testing. I use your DragonCity link all the time it's helpful!

My console is region free, I used all 3 versions of Vigilante 8 2nd Offense USA, PAL, JPN.

You got V8 to work flawlessly in DS RC4 on an IDE drive?! Every DC game I have from your list works except for Vigilante 8 and Plasma. I dumped different GDI versions too from multiple sources, question:

Did you playthrough more than one stage in both Arcade Mode and Quest Mode?
You are using DS RC4 Github and not RC3 correct?
Did you leave the RAW/WAV music tracks in the optimized GDI for this game or were they deleted?
Do you hear music playing during gameplay?
No crash during exit?
Finally did you try shuffling the music in sound test and during gameplay?

(V8 has an exclusive feature where you can change tracks during gameplay. Usually the game freezes when I do that via DS RC4 with HDD)

I'm aware that V8 works fine when you delete those raw files with opt GDI even if you enable CDDA, however if you leave all music tracks in and optimize then turn on CDDA it will demonstrate the problems I mentioned earlier.

In other words did you test this game with all the raw tracks (nothing deleted), on RC4 Github, and in DS settings enabled CDDA? Because if you did there's something horribly wrong on my end. Does it matter if I'm using an IDE PATA drive to boot this game? My Dreamcast is PAL however it's been modified to take NTSC and it's region free. I live in America and am using NTSC equipment but that shouldn't make a difference since all other DC games work. You sure there aren't any additional settings I could use?

As for Plasma Sword that's fantastic news! I only played through the whole game once (with all raw tracks intact plus enabled CDDA) and it froze when I encountered the boss. Did not test it more than once. Maybe it was a one time glitch? I'll test Plasma Sword again and get back to you.

I'm starting to wonder if I need to use a different method in "ISO Make" before optimizing these games.

(25.05.2017 20:10)pcwzrd13 писал(а):  Yeah I'm going to try various image types and settings on the games that didn't work but I'm going to test all the US games first.

It would be a miracle if you could get Guilty Gear X to work without scratchy music and this version of Shenmue 1. Something tells me that's going to be a harder fix than most games that didn't work. As in a whole new DS OS revision but then again you never know.

[pcwzrd13]

(26.05.2017 00:24)Turbokat писал(а):  It would be a miracle if you could get Guilty Gear X to work without scratchy music

There really isn't anything that can be done about the music as far as the settings go. The CDDA emulation would have to be improved. Right now it's still "experimental" according to SWAT.

[dragoncity]

When you say "My console is region free, I used all 3 versions of Vigilante 8 2nd Offense USA, PAL, JPN."

Region free it's not a region ^^ In fact you can change the region with "region changer",but you have just ONE region each time.
So My main console is PAL,I have an JAP too,but less compatibility with JAP.

So for my test I use a PAL console,what you use?

If you don't know go to region changer



I use "DS Megavolt",you have the link in my list.

For vigilant I use OPT,because GDI I had a freeze when I put START button.

Did you leave the RAW/WAV music tracks in the optimized GDI for this game or were they deleted?
You need raw for CDDA,so just optimize gdi.

Do you hear music playing during gameplay?
Yes !

No crash during exit?
No !

Finally did you try shuffling the music in sound test and during gameplay?
No but I don't like really this game so I played just 15 minutes.

Good luck for test

[Turbokat]

(26.05.2017 02:37)dragoncity писал(а):  When you say "My console is region free, I used all 3 versions of Vigilante 8 2nd Offense USA, PAL, JPN."

Region free it's not a region ^^ In fact you can change the region with "region changer",but you have just ONE region each time.
So My main console is PAL,I have an JAP too,but less compatibility with JAP.

So for my test I use a PAL console,what you use?

If you don't know go to region changer

Got it. So I checked the region changer and the Dreamcast is definitely PAL. Used the PAL version of Vigilante just now, OPT GDI and kept the raw files in there like so:



(don't mind the GDI name, changed the words from "disc_optimize.gdi" to "Vigilante 8 2nd Offense UK.gdi" to match a cover image I installed)

Fired up Dreamshell, turned on CDDA and DMA, sadly the game froze when I selected Arcade Mode. So I rebooted, turned off DMA and booted with CDDA enabled. Arcade mode worked but it froze when I pushed the START button.

What method did you use to optimize? I inserted "optimize.bat" and the "sys" folder in the Vigilante 8 DC directory, double clicked optimize bat and and let it convert. But the game still failed.

(26.05.2017 02:37)dragoncity писал(а):  For vigilant I use OPT,because GDI I had a freeze when I put START button.

Did you leave the RAW/WAV music tracks in the optimized GDI for this game or were they deleted?]You need raw for CDDA,so just optimize gdi.

Yes, they were left in.

(26.05.2017 02:37)dragoncity писал(а):  Do you hear music playing during gameplay?
Yes !

No crash during exit?
No !

Finally did you try shuffling the music in sound test and during gameplay?
No but I don't like really this game so I played just 15 minutes.

Good luck for test

Regardless I really appreciate you trying to help even though it's a game you dislike. This is a game I grew up with and played to death. I liked Twisted Metal, Vigilante is like Twisted Metal on steroids so naturally I really want this game to work on my Dreamshell set-up.

[fafadou]

I repack the homebrew beats of rage and dragon ball, now they run on dreamshell 4 RC4 (before they don't, but maybe you could).

It's a good new ! now we have three news officials games in the list :-)

Hope guilty gear works with cdda... But for an experimental system, it's works already well :-)

[dragoncity]

Ok in fact Vigilant 8 freeze...

I tested just the quickly,but when I go to option freeze in TRUE DMA.

Without DMA better but freeze when you change music in Option..

So works but without change anything ^^

So for the best config : OPT without DMA + CDDA.

I can play arcade with this config,but don't go in OPTION for test music or something other.

[pcwzrd13]

My list is complete! I've tested every US release in addition to a few Japanese and PAL exclusives. 84% of the games I tested worked.

Interestingly, the only 2K Sports game that works is World Series Baseball 2K1. It's also the only game by Visual Concepts that works. On the flip side, every Capcom game I've tested works.

[dragoncity]

Good

For deep fighter there is CDDA..but don't boot for me with CDDA ..

Vigilant 8 : Test go to options and change music or anything..maybe freeze..

[pcwzrd13]

(26.05.2017 20:22)dragoncity писал(а):  For deep fighter there is CDDA..but don't boot for me with CDDA ..

Thanks for pointing that out. Tried it with CDDA and it won't boot for me either.

(26.05.2017 20:22)dragoncity писал(а):  Vigilant 8 : Test go to options and change music or anything..maybe freeze..

Tried it and it did freeze occasionally. Not every time though.

[Turbokat]

(26.05.2017 18:15)dragoncity писал(а):  Ok in fact Vigilant 8 freeze...

I tested just the quickly,but when I go to option freeze in TRUE DMA.

Without DMA better but freeze when you change music in Option..

So works but without change anything ^^

So for the best config : OPT without DMA + CDDA.

I can play arcade with this config,but don't go in OPTION for test music or something other.

It's worse than that unfortunately, when I set it to just CDDA using OPT GDI it freezes everytime I go to Arcade Mode, everytime I finish a stage in Quest Mode when I press the "A" button to continue it freezes there too.

At this rate the game is unplayable. Maybe update your Dragon City link to make people aware of this games problems.

(26.05.2017 20:39)pcwzrd13 писал(а):  

(26.05.2017 20:22)dragoncity писал(а):  For deep fighter there is CDDA..but don't boot for me with CDDA ..

Thanks for pointing that out. Tried it with CDDA and it won't boot for me either.

(26.05.2017 20:22)dragoncity писал(а):  Vigilant 8 : Test go to options and change music or anything..maybe freeze..

Tried it and it did freeze occasionally. Not every time though.

The third link in your sig said that Last Blade did not work, that game works, you just have to use the Japanese version. Did you try IP.BIN cut, sync8, with no VGA?

(26.05.2017 17:52)fafadou писал(а):  I repack the homebrew beats of rage and dragon ball, now they run on dreamshell 4 RC4 (before they don't, but maybe you could).

It's a good new ! now we have three news officials games in the list :-)

Hope guilty gear works with cdda... But for an experimental system, it's works already well :-)

With no music sure. But if you're trying to play with music for me it kind of kills the experience.

[dragoncity]

when I set it to just CDDA using OPT GDI it freezes everytime I go to Arcade Mode

For me no problem "Arcade mode".

Try this OPT + CDDA and without DMA.

[fafadou]

I confirm deep fighter run with cdda with cf8000 synchro 16. But... with sd card.
The FMVs lag a little of course and the voices during the video have a cathedral effect. But it's understantable because the FMVs are slowed.


I'm giving a try with guilty gear there is no FMVs if my memories are good.
Probably when there are too much cdda tracks, this experimental system reaches its limits.

Guilty gear is not playable with sd card and cdda in opt and gdi. Game crash at the beginning of a versus. The cdda are better with sdcard but the data rate is often not enough...

[Turbokat]

(27.05.2017 12:48)dragoncity писал(а):  when I set it to just CDDA using OPT GDI it freezes everytime I go to Arcade Mode

For me no problem "Arcade mode".

Try this OPT + CDDA and without DMA.

You're right sorry, meant to say Arcade Mode freezes after you clear a stage (freeze regardless of whether you hit "Continue" or "Exit"). Quest Mode doesn't appear to freeze upon exit/continue.

So the game has 3 problems freezing after playing a stage in Arcade Mode, freezing when you press START, and freezing after you play a few songs in the sound test. The good news is it will at least allow you in the options screen to save/load VMU data, just can't play many songs.

[pcwzrd13]

(27.05.2017 22:14)Turbokat писал(а):  Arcade Mode freezes after you clear a stage (freeze regardless of whether you hit "Continue" or "Exit"). Quest Mode doesn't appear to freeze upon exit/continue.

I just tested it and I can confirm this. Bummer. I'll note this in my compatibility list.

[Turbokat]

(28.05.2017 03:12)pcwzrd13 писал(а):  

(27.05.2017 22:14)Turbokat писал(а):  Arcade Mode freezes after you clear a stage (freeze regardless of whether you hit "Continue" or "Exit"). Quest Mode doesn't appear to freeze upon exit/continue.

I just tested it and I can confirm this. Bummer. I'll note this in my compatibility list.

Bummer is right, disappointing test results. When I get a chance I'll test it again, I recall when testing one other time the game froze mid-quest mode. Perhaps it was an anomaly. I'll feel better once I'm able to test every stage in Quest Mode and report back here with my findings.